1 00:00:00,790 --> 00:00:07,320 [Music] 2 00:00:11,170 --> 00:00:09,180 [Applause] 3 00:00:12,790 --> 00:00:11,180 today I'm going to talk to you guys 4 00:00:16,390 --> 00:00:12,800 about some work I did looking at the 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:16,400 roll iron as a cofactor for the ribosome 6 00:00:23,890 --> 00:00:19,610 in vivo and what that what that means 7 00:00:25,269 --> 00:00:23,900 for the origin of life okay so the 8 00:00:28,810 --> 00:00:25,279 ribosome is very ancient and rare 9 00:00:30,609 --> 00:00:28,820 conserved so much so in fact that it 10 00:00:32,770 --> 00:00:30,619 likely predates the last Universal 11 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:32,780 common ancestor and even cellular life 12 00:00:36,940 --> 00:00:34,610 itself so we think about the origin of 13 00:00:39,370 --> 00:00:36,950 the ribosome that really sort of puts it 14 00:00:41,500 --> 00:00:39,380 at around four billion years ago here at 15 00:00:44,110 --> 00:00:41,510 the beginning of the Archaean and the 16 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:44,120 ribosome evolved an environment we're on 17 00:00:49,420 --> 00:00:46,850 an earth where the atmosphere was devoid 18 00:00:52,450 --> 00:00:49,430 of oxygen and because of that you had 19 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:52,460 abundant stable soluble ferrous iron in 20 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:54,290 the environments on the early Earth and 21 00:00:58,720 --> 00:00:56,330 not only did the ribosome evolve in this 22 00:01:00,670 --> 00:00:58,730 environment it was encapsulated by cells 23 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:00,680 and used in early life forms for at 24 00:01:04,689 --> 00:01:02,210 least an additional 1 to 2 billion years 25 00:01:05,859 --> 00:01:04,699 before oxygen started to rise during 26 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:05,869 what's known as the great oxidation 27 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:09,770 event and precipitate out this iron so 28 00:01:14,290 --> 00:01:12,530 thinking about why the iron content or 29 00:01:16,090 --> 00:01:14,300 the ferrous iron content of the 30 00:01:17,740 --> 00:01:16,100 environment would be important for the 31 00:01:19,570 --> 00:01:17,750 origin of the ribosome is is clear when 32 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:19,580 we consider that developmental cations 33 00:01:23,140 --> 00:01:21,170 are absolutely essential to the 34 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:23,150 structure and function of the ribosome 35 00:01:27,550 --> 00:01:24,170 and actually the whole translation 36 00:01:28,930 --> 00:01:27,560 system and historically magnesium has 37 00:01:31,180 --> 00:01:28,940 really been implicated as the sole 38 00:01:33,700 --> 00:01:31,190 divalent cation in this process however 39 00:01:36,399 --> 00:01:33,710 we've recently shown that iron can 40 00:01:39,310 --> 00:01:36,409 actually near totally replace magnesium 41 00:01:42,039 --> 00:01:39,320 in in the entire translation system and 42 00:01:44,860 --> 00:01:42,049 mediate the translation of functional 43 00:01:46,930 --> 00:01:44,870 protein so in these experiments you can 44 00:01:50,140 --> 00:01:46,940 see that just on in the lower line here 45 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:50,150 with with iron we very much took the 46 00:01:54,789 --> 00:01:52,610 translation system in and transported it 47 00:01:56,170 --> 00:01:54,799 to the environment of its ancestors and 48 00:01:59,980 --> 00:01:56,180 were able to show that it retains 49 00:02:02,950 --> 00:01:59,990 function in such an environment in vitro 50 00:02:04,719 --> 00:02:02,960 of course and after showing that in 51 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:04,729 vitro we we then wanted to go and see if 52 00:02:08,949 --> 00:02:06,650 there's anything going on in in vivo 53 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:08,959 with with iron in the ribosome and more 54 00:02:13,509 --> 00:02:11,090 specifically are there environmental 55 00:02:16,630 --> 00:02:13,519 conditions or growth conditions under 56 00:02:18,430 --> 00:02:16,640 which a bacterial cell we're under you 57 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:18,440 know sort of canonical normal laboratory 58 00:02:22,450 --> 00:02:20,130 conditions might have most 59 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:22,460 magnesium associated with its ribosomes 60 00:02:29,060 --> 00:02:24,690 can we impart conditions under which 61 00:02:31,820 --> 00:02:29,070 there are there's it can sort of swap 62 00:02:35,420 --> 00:02:31,830 out either some or all that magnesium in 63 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:35,430 its ribosomes and so to do that we grew 64 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:37,410 coli cells under four different growth 65 00:02:42,710 --> 00:02:39,570 conditions we grew them aerobic Li 66 00:02:45,110 --> 00:02:42,720 either in the presence or absence of 67 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:45,120 added ferrous ion or anaerobically again 68 00:02:49,790 --> 00:02:47,850 in the presence or absence of add added 69 00:02:53,060 --> 00:02:49,800 ferrous iron and in thinking was it was 70 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:53,070 really this culture that had both no 71 00:02:56,990 --> 00:02:55,530 oxygen because of that allowing for this 72 00:02:59,390 --> 00:02:57,000 ferrous iron high amounts of ferrous 73 00:03:00,410 --> 00:02:59,400 iron to remain stable and solution what 74 00:03:02,770 --> 00:03:00,420 we're going to call our pre great 75 00:03:05,270 --> 00:03:02,780 oxidation event culture pre Joey culture 76 00:03:06,590 --> 00:03:05,280 ribosomes from those cells would we 77 00:03:11,180 --> 00:03:06,600 thought would have the most iron 78 00:03:12,500 --> 00:03:11,190 associated with them so we grew we grew 79 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:12,510 the cells under those growth conditions 80 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:14,850 and then in Aleksic chamber to keep 81 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:17,010 everything nice to know to free I puree 82 00:03:21,410 --> 00:03:18,930 lysis cells purified out the ribosomes 83 00:03:23,060 --> 00:03:21,420 using chromatography based method it 84 00:03:24,770 --> 00:03:23,070 concentrated the ribosomes using ultra 85 00:03:26,420 --> 00:03:24,780 centrifugation and then was able to do 86 00:03:28,250 --> 00:03:26,430 some downstream analysis and so I'll 87 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:28,260 first look at the iron content analysis 88 00:03:33,410 --> 00:03:30,570 we we measured using a total x-ray 89 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:33,420 fluorescence spectroscopy and so from 90 00:03:37,790 --> 00:03:36,090 that method we you just get an iron 91 00:03:39,290 --> 00:03:37,800 concentration in in your sample you know 92 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:39,300 the ribosomal concentration of your 93 00:03:42,830 --> 00:03:41,370 sample and from that we just calculate 94 00:03:44,330 --> 00:03:42,840 an iron per ribosome ratio and that's 95 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:44,340 what we're showing on the y-axis here 96 00:03:48,500 --> 00:03:47,010 and on the x-axis we have our four 97 00:03:50,030 --> 00:03:48,510 growth conditions so our two aerobic 98 00:03:51,610 --> 00:03:50,040 conditions and then our two anaerobic 99 00:03:54,140 --> 00:03:51,620 conditions and again our pre goe 100 00:03:56,170 --> 00:03:54,150 anaerobic 1 millimolar ferrous chloride 101 00:03:59,570 --> 00:03:56,180 condition and what we can see is that 102 00:04:01,190 --> 00:03:59,580 indeed in the pre juhi conditions we 103 00:04:02,570 --> 00:04:01,200 have significantly more iron associated 104 00:04:03,890 --> 00:04:02,580 with those ribosomes compared to the 105 00:04:06,530 --> 00:04:03,900 other four growth conditions so about 106 00:04:08,750 --> 00:04:06,540 about 10 versus about one for the other 107 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:08,760 three growth conditions when we looked 108 00:04:13,220 --> 00:04:10,410 at the ribosomal RNAs of these of these 109 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:13,230 guys so irregardless of growth condition 110 00:04:19,370 --> 00:04:16,410 the 23's of the 16s ribosomal RNA czar 111 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:19,380 intact and therefore these ribosomes are 112 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:21,330 also functional in in in in vitro 113 00:04:26,780 --> 00:04:23,250 translation assays regardless of the 114 00:04:28,550 --> 00:04:26,790 iron content or growth condition so then 115 00:04:30,140 --> 00:04:28,560 when we thought sort of more about the 116 00:04:32,030 --> 00:04:30,150 ribosomes and the way we were purifying 117 00:04:33,150 --> 00:04:32,040 them we realized something really 118 00:04:36,030 --> 00:04:33,160 interesting 119 00:04:37,830 --> 00:04:36,040 it if if any of you purified ribosomes 120 00:04:39,930 --> 00:04:37,840 before familiar with this field really 121 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:39,940 all canonical ribozyme purification 122 00:04:43,860 --> 00:04:42,250 you're just bathing these things in 123 00:04:45,780 --> 00:04:43,870 millimolar amounts of magnesium during 124 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:45,790 the purification process and and all the 125 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:47,290 buffers and so what we're thinking 126 00:04:51,210 --> 00:04:49,330 what's happened was happening is that 127 00:04:53,430 --> 00:04:51,220 you know there may be some iron pool 128 00:04:54,990 --> 00:04:53,440 that's associated in vivo that during 129 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:55,000 the purification process is getting 130 00:04:59,550 --> 00:04:56,770 spontaneously exchanged for with 131 00:05:01,680 --> 00:04:59,560 magnesium from the buffers and what we 132 00:05:03,420 --> 00:05:01,690 might actually be seeing is magnesium's 133 00:05:06,060 --> 00:05:03,430 that are preferentially associated at 134 00:05:08,610 --> 00:05:06,070 least in vitro with magnesium and you 135 00:05:09,570 --> 00:05:08,620 know thinking about if that's happening 136 00:05:11,130 --> 00:05:09,580 well we should be able to do the 137 00:05:13,350 --> 00:05:11,140 opposite we should be able to purify 138 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:13,360 this stuff and oxic aliy in buffers 139 00:05:19,140 --> 00:05:15,010 containing normal amounts of ferrous 140 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:19,150 iron and swap in irons and ending up 141 00:05:23,310 --> 00:05:20,410 with with ribosomes that are 142 00:05:25,140 --> 00:05:23,320 preferentially enriched for iron and 143 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:25,150 that's what we did and so that is the 144 00:05:29,250 --> 00:05:26,650 duct these dots on the top of the graph 145 00:05:30,870 --> 00:05:29,260 here and we can see is that you know 146 00:05:33,810 --> 00:05:30,880 regardless regardless of growth 147 00:05:37,140 --> 00:05:33,820 condition these ribosomes are all able 148 00:05:38,550 --> 00:05:37,150 to soak up about 500 to 600 irons per 149 00:05:41,250 --> 00:05:38,560 ribosome during the purification process 150 00:05:42,630 --> 00:05:41,260 from that buffer and so that was really 151 00:05:45,210 --> 00:05:42,640 interesting and it tells us that there's 152 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:45,220 a huge capacity at least in vitro for 153 00:05:49,860 --> 00:05:47,770 the ribosome to to associate extensively 154 00:05:51,330 --> 00:05:49,870 with ferrous iron molecules it also 155 00:05:53,370 --> 00:05:51,340 tells us something kind of really cool 156 00:05:55,260 --> 00:05:53,380 about about these data from the ions 157 00:05:56,670 --> 00:05:55,270 that are left over left over if you will 158 00:05:59,070 --> 00:05:56,680 after your purification with magnesium 159 00:06:01,050 --> 00:05:59,080 these are the these are ions basically 160 00:06:03,780 --> 00:06:01,060 we couldn't wash out and sort of suggest 161 00:06:06,150 --> 00:06:03,790 at their sort of binding nature with the 162 00:06:07,830 --> 00:06:06,160 ribosome being either tightly very 163 00:06:10,380 --> 00:06:07,840 tightly associated with the ribosomal 164 00:06:12,060 --> 00:06:10,390 RNA and or tightly that are deeply 165 00:06:15,570 --> 00:06:12,070 buried within the ribosomal structure 166 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:15,580 and really thinking about the behavior 167 00:06:18,990 --> 00:06:17,050 of these these ions and the fact that 168 00:06:22,130 --> 00:06:19,000 we're seeing around ten sort of also 169 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:22,140 possibly hints at the the exact 170 00:06:26,100 --> 00:06:24,250 mechanism of association with the 171 00:06:27,930 --> 00:06:26,110 ribosome so Lauren Williams and his 172 00:06:29,580 --> 00:06:27,940 group have previously identified these 173 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:29,590 these interactions called Dyne nuclear 174 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:31,570 micro clusters these are interactions 175 00:06:36,210 --> 00:06:33,730 that happen in the ribosome RNA where 176 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:36,220 you have two divalent cations that are 177 00:06:40,950 --> 00:06:38,410 bridged by a common phosphate oxygen on 178 00:06:43,020 --> 00:06:40,960 the backbone of the ribosomal RNA and so 179 00:06:45,180 --> 00:06:43,030 these divalent cations are very tightly 180 00:06:46,949 --> 00:06:45,190 associated and highly coordinated with 181 00:06:49,499 --> 00:06:46,959 with the fought with phosphate 182 00:06:51,179 --> 00:06:49,509 they're also most of them are very 183 00:06:52,799 --> 00:06:51,189 deeply buried within the ribosomal 184 00:06:54,359 --> 00:06:52,809 structure actually many many of them 185 00:06:56,129 --> 00:06:54,369 being very important for framing the 186 00:06:58,079 --> 00:06:56,139 prep the pebble transfer a center and 187 00:06:59,869 --> 00:06:58,089 then when you go to you know see how 188 00:07:02,129 --> 00:06:59,879 many of these things are in the ribosome 189 00:07:03,959 --> 00:07:02,139 we find that there are four on the large 190 00:07:05,999 --> 00:07:03,969 subunit and one in the small subunit and 191 00:07:07,439 --> 00:07:06,009 there should be two divalent cations in 192 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:07,449 each of these dining clear micro 193 00:07:12,359 --> 00:07:09,610 clusters and so we would expect around 194 00:07:13,859 --> 00:07:12,369 ten divalent cations to be participating 195 00:07:16,529 --> 00:07:13,869 in these sorts of interactions per 196 00:07:19,499 --> 00:07:16,539 ribosome and in fact we've actually 197 00:07:21,869 --> 00:07:19,509 recently got some support for this this 198 00:07:25,909 --> 00:07:21,879 hypothesis a paper came out showing that 199 00:07:29,279 --> 00:07:25,919 these elisa in vitro the RNA responsible 200 00:07:30,809 --> 00:07:29,289 for making these micro clusters looks 201 00:07:32,939 --> 00:07:30,819 like it can fold in the presence of iron 202 00:07:34,739 --> 00:07:32,949 in vitro and so right now we're sort of 203 00:07:38,249 --> 00:07:34,749 thinking about the the next experiment 204 00:07:42,540 --> 00:07:38,259 or good experiments to do to to to 205 00:07:45,739 --> 00:07:42,550 really see you know a where this iron is 206 00:07:48,929 --> 00:07:45,749 and what its binding to in the ribosome 207 00:07:52,529 --> 00:07:48,939 okay so then we went back and we looked 208 00:07:54,089 --> 00:07:52,539 at the the ribosomal RNA of both the 209 00:07:55,979 --> 00:07:54,099 ribosomes that were purified in 210 00:07:58,829 --> 00:07:55,989 magnesium and compared that to the 211 00:08:01,290 --> 00:07:58,839 ribosomal RNA of the ribosomes that were 212 00:08:02,729 --> 00:08:01,300 purified in iron and so again this is 213 00:08:04,709 --> 00:08:02,739 the gel i already showed you so these 214 00:08:06,149 --> 00:08:04,719 these are the intact ribosomal RNAs of 215 00:08:08,549 --> 00:08:06,159 the of the ribosomes that were purified 216 00:08:10,979 --> 00:08:08,559 in buffers containing magnesium and 217 00:08:13,589 --> 00:08:10,989 these are the ribosomal RNAs of the 218 00:08:14,939 --> 00:08:13,599 buffers purified in the presence of iron 219 00:08:17,339 --> 00:08:14,949 and what you can see here is that these 220 00:08:20,129 --> 00:08:17,349 RNAs really seem to be heavily heavily 221 00:08:21,659 --> 00:08:20,139 degraded right after getting them off 222 00:08:24,509 --> 00:08:21,669 the purification process already have 223 00:08:27,629 --> 00:08:24,519 heavily degraded and you know we really 224 00:08:30,149 --> 00:08:27,639 took a lot of great care to not do not 225 00:08:31,739 --> 00:08:30,159 introduce too much oxygen during this 226 00:08:33,299 --> 00:08:31,749 purification process so it's very 227 00:08:35,069 --> 00:08:33,309 unlikely that it's significant amount of 228 00:08:39,179 --> 00:08:35,079 this cleavage is due to any any sort of 229 00:08:41,490 --> 00:08:39,189 iron mediated oxidative damage and so 230 00:08:42,179 --> 00:08:41,500 thinking about other mechanisms of 231 00:08:43,949 --> 00:08:42,189 cleavage 232 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:43,959 one of the ones we thought about was 233 00:08:49,230 --> 00:08:45,730 in-line cleavage and so this is a 234 00:08:51,420 --> 00:08:49,240 spontaneous cleavage mechanism of RNA 235 00:08:52,980 --> 00:08:51,430 molecules where you basically get 236 00:08:56,699 --> 00:08:52,990 hydrolysis of the phosphate backbone 237 00:08:59,069 --> 00:08:56,709 this this this cleavage mechanism is 238 00:08:59,580 --> 00:08:59,079 also accelerated by the association of 239 00:09:01,440 --> 00:08:59,590 divalent 240 00:09:04,980 --> 00:09:01,450 cations with the phosphate backbone of 241 00:09:08,190 --> 00:09:04,990 the RNA molecule and actually uh Becca 242 00:09:11,460 --> 00:09:08,200 good-good Metzler I another grad student 243 00:09:14,670 --> 00:09:11,470 in Lauren Williams lab and has just 244 00:09:17,070 --> 00:09:14,680 really recently shown that iron can not 245 00:09:18,690 --> 00:09:17,080 only mediate in line cleavage suggesting 246 00:09:21,330 --> 00:09:18,700 that associates with the the backbone of 247 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:21,340 the RNA but media added orders of 248 00:09:25,730 --> 00:09:22,810 magnitude higher rate than another 249 00:09:27,780 --> 00:09:25,740 divalent cation like magnesium 250 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:27,790 essentially essentially basically 251 00:09:33,810 --> 00:09:30,850 showing a new pathway of iron mediated 252 00:09:35,430 --> 00:09:33,820 cleavage of ribosomal RNA which is an 253 00:09:36,990 --> 00:09:35,440 extremely exciting result in its own 254 00:09:39,630 --> 00:09:37,000 right and actually she gave a poster 255 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:39,640 last night but I think it's still up so 256 00:09:44,550 --> 00:09:41,530 I urge any of you haven't already seen 257 00:09:45,660 --> 00:09:44,560 it to to go and look at it but basically 258 00:09:47,340 --> 00:09:45,670 that's what we think is going on here 259 00:09:49,460 --> 00:09:47,350 during the purification in the in the an 260 00:09:52,110 --> 00:09:49,470 toxic chamber over you know multiple our 261 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:52,120 purification in a anoxic chamber where 262 00:09:56,790 --> 00:09:53,770 it's difficult to keep things very cold 263 00:09:58,410 --> 00:09:56,800 we think the the iron that is soaking 264 00:10:01,320 --> 00:09:58,420 into those ribosomes from the buffer is 265 00:10:03,630 --> 00:10:01,330 is associating with the ribosomal RNA 266 00:10:07,590 --> 00:10:03,640 and therefore mediating this in-line 267 00:10:10,230 --> 00:10:07,600 cleavage so like I just mentioned in the 268 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:10,240 early part of the talk growing you coli 269 00:10:13,620 --> 00:10:11,890 under these pre jewy conditions these 270 00:10:16,260 --> 00:10:13,630 these conditions conducive to the 271 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:16,270 Archaean earth leads to elevated levels 272 00:10:21,060 --> 00:10:18,250 of iron within the ribosomes and the 273 00:10:23,130 --> 00:10:21,070 fact these cells retain this is very 274 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:23,140 suggestive of iron possibly being you 275 00:10:27,140 --> 00:10:25,690 know at least one in may possibly in 276 00:10:30,540 --> 00:10:27,150 tannin with magnesium and others 277 00:10:32,340 --> 00:10:30,550 divalent cofactors for early translation 278 00:10:34,890 --> 00:10:32,350 and that these ribosomes are intact and 279 00:10:37,140 --> 00:10:34,900 functional the in vivo iron we're seeing 280 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:37,150 is because it can't be washed out is 281 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:40,570 likely bound to RNA spots where it's 282 00:10:45,530 --> 00:10:42,370 very tightly associated or deeply buried 283 00:10:47,820 --> 00:10:45,540 like those daniel a micro clusters and 284 00:10:49,980 --> 00:10:47,830 also we're seeing iron associated in 285 00:10:52,020 --> 00:10:49,990 vitro extensively with the ribosomal RNA 286 00:10:53,580 --> 00:10:52,030 and mediate that in ninth cleavage and 287 00:10:55,740 --> 00:10:53,590 so given those two points that that 288 00:10:58,290 --> 00:10:55,750 really suggests that possibly the iron 289 00:10:59,870 --> 00:10:58,300 that we're seeing you know here is very 290 00:11:02,250 --> 00:10:59,880 much a muted signal and that 291 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:02,260 purification under buffers of magnesium 292 00:11:07,350 --> 00:11:04,570 is is washing out possibly significantly 293 00:11:09,030 --> 00:11:07,360 more in vivo associated iron and so 294 00:11:11,370 --> 00:11:09,040 thinking about you know experiments to 295 00:11:13,140 --> 00:11:11,380 to really get at the the true number of 296 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:13,150 Virant associated 297 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:16,450 with the ribosome and with that I just 298 00:11:21,510 --> 00:11:18,730 like to thank my advisor dr. Jen glass 299 00:11:23,730 --> 00:11:21,520 my co advisor dr. Laura Williams 300 00:11:25,410 --> 00:11:23,740 but with members of both labs and NASA 301 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:25,420 for funding all this and thank you guys 302 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:33,010 for listening we have time for exactly 303 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:37,810 do questions okay the ones who anybody 304 00:11:49,980 --> 00:11:47,850 thank you for the nice paper 305 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:49,990 there's an interesting calculation that 306 00:11:53,790 --> 00:11:51,610 you might want to make I'll just call 307 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:53,800 this to your attention and that is that 308 00:11:59,310 --> 00:11:56,050 we have a pretty good knowledge of how 309 00:12:02,040 --> 00:11:59,320 much iron ore there is in the Earth's 310 00:12:05,180 --> 00:12:02,050 crust if you dissolve all of that back 311 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:05,190 into the ocean you only get about five 312 00:12:10,860 --> 00:12:08,410 micromolar iron in the seawater and 313 00:12:13,170 --> 00:12:10,870 right now of course iron has rusted out 314 00:12:15,660 --> 00:12:13,180 and it's way down below it's down the 315 00:12:18,420 --> 00:12:15,670 nano molar range so just keep in mind 316 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:18,430 that iron might have been very dilute 317 00:12:23,730 --> 00:12:20,290 much more than much less than the 318 00:12:25,110 --> 00:12:23,740 millimolar concentrations yeah yeah yeah 319 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:25,120 and yeah that's always something that 320 00:12:28,980 --> 00:12:26,530 comes up thinking about sort of the 321 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:28,990 actual environmental relevance of iron 322 00:12:32,550 --> 00:12:30,490 versus other other dye valence 323 00:12:33,750 --> 00:12:32,560 definitely the the environments on the 324 00:12:35,220 --> 00:12:33,760 earlier earth weren't totally 325 00:12:37,590 --> 00:12:35,230 homogeneous and there could have been 326 00:12:39,510 --> 00:12:37,600 environments where or iron magnesium 327 00:12:42,330 --> 00:12:39,520 could have been possibly competing 328 00:12:43,830 --> 00:12:42,340 levels of concentration yeah I didn't 329 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:43,840 show this data but even manganese looks 330 00:12:50,190 --> 00:12:45,730 to be able to to to mediate trend 331 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:50,200 translation function I think really the 332 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:51,970 most true answer is probably it was some 333 00:12:56,370 --> 00:12:54,130 combination of those three and possibly 334 00:12:58,800 --> 00:12:56,380 even more dive ants especially at the 335 00:13:01,020 --> 00:12:58,810 early origins of the ribosome before you 336 00:13:02,820 --> 00:13:01,030 had other data dedicated systems to go 337 00:13:05,430 --> 00:13:02,830 out and sequester and compartmentalize 338 00:13:06,990 --> 00:13:05,440 and concentrate one divalent over 339 00:13:08,580 --> 00:13:07,000 another but yeah I think it's always 340 00:13:10,650 --> 00:13:08,590 important to very much keep the 341 00:13:12,750 --> 00:13:10,660 environmental relevance of all these 342 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:12,760 things in mind thank you yeah two 343 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:15,010 question you showed a plot of the goe in 344 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:17,050 the higher availability of ferrous iron 345 00:13:21,060 --> 00:13:18,970 ore before the goe what was the 346 00:13:23,190 --> 00:13:21,070 availability it does magnesium available 347 00:13:23,460 --> 00:13:23,200 yeah that's one quick the other question 348 00:13:25,770 --> 00:13:23,470 is 349 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:25,780 have you looked at anaerobic iron-rich 350 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:27,970 conditions today for bacteria that lived 351 00:13:32,340 --> 00:13:30,010 there to see if they have two irons in 352 00:13:33,690 --> 00:13:32,350 these dot in these places yeah so I'll 353 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:33,700 cover the first question first and that 354 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:36,850 goes back to the previous answer it 355 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:38,530 part of it was definitely sort of where 356 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:39,850 you were on the earth of the time 357 00:13:43,500 --> 00:13:41,890 magnesium was definitely lower due to 358 00:13:44,700 --> 00:13:43,510 the increased hydrothermal activity of 359 00:13:45,780 --> 00:13:44,710 the earth especially because 360 00:13:49,020 --> 00:13:45,790 hydrothermal activity actually 361 00:13:52,260 --> 00:13:49,030 sequester's magnesium in crustal 362 00:13:54,420 --> 00:13:52,270 minerals so definitely more towards the 363 00:13:56,700 --> 00:13:54,430 ocean and the closer you got to any type 364 00:13:58,620 --> 00:13:56,710 of hydrothermal activity actually your 365 00:14:00,270 --> 00:13:58,630 ratio of iron to magnesium would 366 00:14:01,950 --> 00:14:00,280 increase drastically but overall 367 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:01,960 magnesium was what's probably lower than 368 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:04,170 it significant lower than it is today 369 00:14:10,110 --> 00:14:06,730 and then part of the second question is 370 00:14:12,270 --> 00:14:10,120 yeah that's sort of that's sort of the 371 00:14:13,710 --> 00:14:12,280 logical as I see the logical next step 372 00:14:15,930 --> 00:14:13,720 of all this but really the biggest 373 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:15,940 barrier to that is just that nothing 374 00:14:19,620 --> 00:14:17,770 really grows that well that's it that's 375 00:14:22,890 --> 00:14:19,630 an anaerobic now look at anaerobe 376 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:22,900 possibly to to the the Odie's that you 377 00:14:27,510 --> 00:14:25,210 can get e.coli and just this purifies so 378 00:14:28,890 --> 00:14:27,520 I definitely think it's possible and I 379 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:28,900 think it's an experiment that needs to 380 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:30,370 be done because you can think about 381 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:32,650 obligate anaerobes that possibly haven't 382 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:34,810 seen oxygen for millions of years or 383 00:14:38,730 --> 00:14:36,490 possibly never in their in their 384 00:14:42,410 --> 00:14:38,740 evolutionary history and and postulate 385 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:42,420 about you know not not only the 386 00:14:47,370 --> 00:14:45,010 biochemistry of iron versus magnesium 387 00:14:48,990 --> 00:14:47,380 the translation system but but possibly 388 00:14:51,030 --> 00:14:49,000 they don't use magnesium for anything if 389 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:51,040 if they're in an iron abundant 390 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:52,210 environment don't have to worry about 391 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:55,450 oxygen oxidative immediate toxicity but 392 00:14:59,220 --> 00:14:56,530 I think there's a lot of method 393 00:15:01,620 --> 00:14:59,230 methodological challenges to that that 394 00:15:03,270 --> 00:15:01,630 finding that out I have I don't know 395 00:15:07,260 --> 00:15:03,280 billion questions to ask but later or